For me, I’m already moving more and more over to YouMagine. It’s backed my UltiMaker, which has stayed true to their open source roots. Makerbot has taken their license for Thingiverse, and used their users ingenuity, creativity, as well as engineering prowess to further their own goals. Bre Pettis talks like a politician, and when confronted with things, talks around them and not about them. If instead, Bre would have been honest about certain things (MakerBot invented the stepper extruder, etc) there’s a lot more people who wouldn’t have a problem with their site. But they sold out, they belong to stratasys, stratasys is suing other 3D printer distributors, and thus that whole ecosystem is one to just simply stay away from.
That’s exactly what I like to hear. I want market research showing that without a doubt that it’s a bad idea to turn your back on the community. Of course more then that I want accurate market research.
That being said, for a company that’s “staying true to their open source roots” I’m not seeing any sourcecode for youMagine.
That is getting a bit pedantic… don’t you think?
They’re facilitating sharing and collaborating on open source projects… They’re not necessarily offering the source code to their sharing platform, but they don’t give you the schematics for how to build the stepper motors that they use either. It’s about sharing what they are TRYING to share, not about sharing everything… There must be a line… otherwise, someone’s going to say “yeah they shared the source code for the website, but they won’t tell you what they had for breakfast before they wrote that code”
I agree with @ThantiK , MakerBot have very little love within the community because of their actions. By the same token, they DO outsell a lot of (all?) other machines. I think as much as I’d like to believe that this communities views are those of the entire world, that is just not the case - people ARE effected by advertising, marketing - and Makerbot have a butt-load (exact measurement) of that…
I see a lot of Makerbot owners coming here for help (proof that makerbots also suffer the same problems as other machines) and quite often they get told “you bought a makerbot… that’s the problem…”
These people then often “wish they had looked around before buying” - but I can’t help but feel sometimes that if this community wasn’t so biased itself, that person MAY get some worthwhile help instead of being told to “go ask makerbot”… and if they got that help then they MAY be happy with their makerbot… This is simply the wrong place to ask a question regarding makerbot problems.
Personally I think that they’ve done the wrong thing… but it IS a touchy (and evolving) subject… up until recently if you created a huge business overnight and got bought out by an industry giant you were “Incredibly successful” - and now - you’re “a theiving cheat”…
A lot of people in Bre’s position would do the same…
But a lot of people saying “hey, I contributed as much knowledge, time, effort into this community as he did!” have the right to be a bit pissed off…
It sounds to me like you don’t really value open source. Which is fine, there’s nothing wrong with that.
But the whole “if this community wasn’t so biased itself, that person MAY get some worthwhile help instead of being told to “go ask makerbot”” thing really irks me.
I read something a while ago that really sums up my feelings on the subject.
Paraphrasing "We want to help. But you brought these problems on yourself. And the thing is, when you ask for help, you’re actually asking us to use our skills and knowledge to prop up a corporatized product that’s not just practically inferior to the free alternative you ignored, but actually bad for the world. We just can’t do that.”
Makerbot has ridiculous amount of venture capital. They’re building up a patent base to screw over smaller developers. They’re actively using “embrace extend extinguish” doctrine. And finally they have just a ridiculous amount of money.
So why should I use my skills and knowledge to support their business model? A business model that’s actively hostile to competition and openness?
And no I don’t think it’s pedantic. There’s nothing stopping anther big company from buying youMagine tomorrow, and this whole thing from repeating.
I hear microsoft is looking into 3D printing technology. What’s to stop the exact same situation as thingiverse and staratysis from happening with youMagine and microsoft? Or some other company?
Releasing their code under an open-source license would guard against that. They’re facilitating open source development, but only because it benefits them. To me that says they’re just doing lip-service to the whole open-source concept.
I retract my statements, I agree with all of your points there and I did not actually realize that something released as open source in that way has the legal privileges that you describe. I understand what the fuss is about now!
And that is true… I always find it sad that makerbot (inferior) is a household name and ultimaker is almost unheard of… They put a lot of effort in and have produced a better product with far less funding… Ugh…